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« on: October 17, 2006, 08:35:51 AM »

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The Donald’s had invested so much of their time and money into the area, having built their farms from scratch in 1958. For them, this was their entire life and a legacy for their family. Their 3000 acre farm was also a life blood for the areas local population, employing whole families to work the farm and to sell crops and animal products worth over $2.5m ZIM
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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2006, 05:31:32 AM »

Thankyou so much for the very informative article. No wonder the Davy family is keen to keep their families home and business in tact as much as they could. Her family (her mothers side) has dealt with the horrible dealings of being on the wrong side of the Mugabe regime. ALSO the allegations about Mr. Davy's dealings with the Mugabe regime are just that ALLEGATIONS!!!
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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2006, 05:44:35 AM »

Charles Davy has never committed a crime..he's never killed or robbed anyone in the pursuit of his business dealings.

I think this just shows that Charles is determined not to have done to his family what was done to Beverley's family. It's a terribly sad story that some of the people who posted about blood money in the other thread should read..I doubt they will though.

The Donald family also faced charges for the damage that was done to their land and belongings...the Mugabe regime were going to fine them and make them pay for the items stolen or broken even though it was the government sanctioned invaders who did it.

They were so backed into  a corner with respects to what they were and weren't allowed to do they had no choice but to leave..they weren't even allowed to chop firewood to heat their water etc.

I was reading a website about Zimbabwe and there was tale after tale of hardship for white farmers and by default their workers who were also forced off the land. People who bag the Davy's seem to forget how much they invest into those communities. Without the farmers such as the Davy's, some of those people would be forced into homelessness and starvation as is being seen in many parts of Zimbabwe now. With no farmers to work the crops or sell the cattle, there's less for the locals to eat. It's tragic really. And the unintelligent debate over Chelsy and her father is just that....stupid!
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« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2006, 05:51:16 AM »

yeah...thanx...africa is sometimes a sad continent...with all its beauty...abudance wealth...still colonial sytem of gov rules...where its hard 2 tell where freedom began...&....political & economic slavery ended.
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« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2006, 05:52:57 AM »

I agree Wombs!
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« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2006, 05:57:31 AM »

The thing is that just because it's white people getting thrown off it's not looked at as a tragedy. What people need to know is that these white people also employ the black people who's (for the most part) only source of income or accomdation is via their work.

I'm sure they'd disagree that Davy's money is blood money...I'm not even sure how people can say it's blood money....who's blood exactly?
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« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2006, 06:01:32 AM »

i think bc most of africa's profitable land...esp. in sub-sahara were given 2 white settlers...while native blacks were either living in deplorable shanty towns...or...working on their own land....2 white settlers...many africans don't shed tears over zimbabwe....the ironic thing thou...most of the plp who suffered aren't the rich & well connected....but average middle class white land owners & their black employees.....even now...no qualified black zimbabwen works on these lands...its all controlled by the gov....just 2 show you mugabe could care less about his own plp.
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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2006, 06:28:15 AM »

It's a furfy that most of the land was given to white settlers. White settlers were allowed to basically settle on lands for payment...before the lands weren't yeilding crops or cattle and with the white settlers came money and jobs. In fact alot of the lands that are earning the money are either owned by corrupt black governments or offshore by huge multinational companies.

The land taken by the Mugabe government isn't being used as it once was..hence the lack of food and profits for the locals. There's a real issue with hunger at the moment and the UN and other organistations are turning a blind eye because Mugabe has pulled the "Self rule" thing out..where black people rule themselves and run their own governments...yet Mugabe is the one who is ripping off his own people and blaming the white settlers for it.

Put it this way...there was not the problems with starvation in Zimbabwe before Mugabe came to town....there weren't the huge amounts of refugees living in sub standard housing as there is now...people weren't building shanty's near Harare and getting them bulldozed by the government, thus leaving them homeless as is happing now.

It's not the rich white settlers doing it ..it's men like Mugabe..black..rich...and very very evil.
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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2006, 06:52:05 AM »

i think plp assume mugabe came 2 power in 1995...he was in power for 30 yrs...as VP...while only white zimbabwen were either elected 2 office as PM...or...run most of the economy.......poverty ruled in most southern africa...only diff...it didn't make much news...cus most of the poor were blacks.

btw...2 say its 'furfy' white were given lands...its 2 ignore the dynamic history of land ownership in africa...latine america & asia...the concept of "commercial land" was conned in mid 19th century...when in southern africaka....according 2 your skin color...you were situated lands...esp since most african tribes lived on their lands...moved around & did not have concept of "capitalist/profitable land" until the white man came along...except of course north afrika & few east africakan countries....2 talk about mugabe is one thing...2 deny the fact of aparthaid & who it profited its another matter.

mugabe is doing what his colonial predecessor have done for centuries......he's in fact been trained by them since the 1950s.....blaming white settlers is not hard 2 do...since the power struggle existed since independence...only smart politician was nelson mandela...who made sure the issue of land ownership & aparthaid wealth didn't dominate the political platform...cus his country will be no better off than zimbabwe.
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« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2006, 07:05:16 AM »

Mugabe has been around for decades and yet his real terror has only been highlighted for the past decade. Mugabe wasn't "trained" by them at all. He was allowed to practise a form of politics that he initiated to allow him to reach and retain his power base....and feed off his own peoples prejudices and memories of past ill treatment. Mugabe uses the race card to endorse wholesale suffering on both white and black people. He doesn't care about skin colour when it comes to oppressing people..and yet when he's called to question about it..he pulls out the "White rule..racists...stole our lands...raped our women....killed our men..destroyed our culture" card as he always does. It's pathetic and as bad as the apartheid oppressors. IMHO

It is a furfy because they would have you believe that people were forcibly removed, which is a fair assertion for some of the lands within Africa but certainly can not be said about every part. Not all of the profitable land was 'taken" from it's people. In fact you'll find that many many of the white settlers work in combination with the tribal land owners and have done for generations. It's alarmist at best and highly inaccurate at worst to say that people have been horribly treated and yet I see your point with regards to apartheid..which was and is a terriblke blight in the history of africa. But don't assume that every white person agreed with it...the vast majority of white people didn't and those who actually voicd their opinions shared the same fate as their black counterparts.

Poverty wasn't rife within Zimbabwe, as it was and is in most countries within the African continent. The reason for this is complicated and not down to one ruler or one oppessor. You can't blame the colonists but you can blame Mugabe as he is only adding to the pain.
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« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2006, 07:57:48 AM »

blaming mugabe...while absolving the colonial entity that created the present problems...or...made it possible for such a condition over land cliam...is like blaming victims of aparthaid for their present economic conditions....as you are aware....Zimbabwe was controlleded by south african aparthaid system...where thnx 2 the 1888 agreement...British South African Country was signed with then portugese descendants...2 mine the country for gold....which began the influx of European settlers...leading 2 a war b/w black natives "Ndebele" & british colony...but obviously the natives were defeated...allowing a growing # of european immigrants.

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* In 1930 a land act was passed which excluded Africans from ownership of the best farming land further enhancing white supremacy. The labour law, carried in 1934, prohibited the Africans from entering skilled trades and professions.
* As a consequence of these actions, Africans were forced to work for subsistence wages on white farms, mines and factories.
* The gradual radicalisation of the African labour force occurred due to terribly poor wages and conditions.
By 1953, the mining and industrial concerns were in favour of a more racially mixed middle class as a balance to the radical elements in the labour force. Also in 1953 a federation of Southern Rhodesia, Northern Rhodesian (now Zambia) and Nyasaland (now Malawi) was formed.

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The Federation's prime minister, Garfield Todd was thrown out when he attempted to satisfy some of the more moderate African demands.
* In 1962 the same treatment was afforded his successor.
* The formation of a number of political parties along with sporadic acts of sabotage came as a result of African impatience with the prospects of constitutional change.
* At the forefront of this move was the Zimbabwe African People's Union (ZAPU), mostly Ndebele, led by Joshua Nkomo.
* It was shortly joined by the Zimbabwe African National Union (ZANU), mostly Shona, a break-away group under Ndabaningi Sithole.
* After the collapse of the federation in 1963, both ZAPU and ZANU were banned and the majority of their leaders imprisoned.

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At the same time, as a response to Britain's refusal to grant independence to Southern Rhodesia, Ian Smith the prime minister, called for a unilateral declaration of independence (UDI).
* In the May 1965 elections, Smith's party picked up every one of the 50 government seats, in December, UDI was declared.
* Britain declared Smith's action illegal and imposed economic sanctions. In 1968 the UN voted to make the sanctions mandatory but they were largely ineffective.
* The measures taken by the British government to force Smith to revoke UDI and accept Black majority rule were useless, as the economic sanctions imposed actually saw Rhodesia's economy grow.
* Both ZAPU and ZANU began campaigns of guerrilla warfare around 1966, and guerrilla raids led to an escalation in white emigration from Rhodesia.

civil war b/w white settlers & black afrikans...&...role of aparthaid SA + USA:
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The coming of independence in Angola and Mozambique in 1975 altered the power balance within Rhodesia greatly as it forced South Africa and the USA to rethink their attitudes to the area, in order that they could protect their economic and political interests.
* Attempts were made by both countries to pressurise Smith into accepting the nationalists. With Kauanda's Zambian support the nationalist groups were convinced to come together under the united front of Muzorewa's African National Congress. The imprisoned nationalist leaders were released.
* Continuing talks failed to bring the two sides to an agreement, despite changes to the nationalist "line-up", now called the Patriotic Front, a union of ZANU and ZAPU.
Ian Smith, in the face of an exodus of large numbers of whites, tried to make a deal with Sithole and

Muzurewa whereby power would be handed over to them providing certain guarantees were afforded to the whites: minimum of 28 seats in the 100 seat parliament; a veto over legislation for 10 years; white control of the army, air force, police, judiciary and civil service. It failed and the war grew worse.

* In the end, Smith called non-racial elections. In 1980 Mugabe's ZANU party won the election although the whites retained most of the guarantees that Smith wanted.

* There followed a continuing bitter rivalry between ZAPU and ZANU. Guerilla activity started again. Nkomo (ZAPU) left for England and did not return until Mugabe guaranteed his safety. Soon talks led to the uniting of the two rival parties.

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* In 1988 the law guaranteeing whites 20 seats in parliament was rescinded. In 1990/1991 it was declared that half of the land belonging to white farmers would be allocated to blacks.

i think Mr. Davy as a smart business man...decided 2 deal with a horrendous dictator...which is what most business & corporation have done & still do 2 this day......while most of his fellow citizens are on the brink of starvation.....i wonder what his in-laws think of him...since charles davy managed 2 hold on 2 his land...while they lost theirs 
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« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2006, 08:32:09 AM »

Mugabe is to blame for the current issues with Zimbabwe - end of story -

Instead of blaming now defunct colonial governments ..let's blame the current governments that are corrupt..

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The outgoing leader of the African Union, the Nigerian president Olesegun Obasanjo, has said that corruption costs Africa an estimated twenty-five percent of its collective national income. He blamed what he called 'unpatriotic citizens', who he said were looting the continent's resources.

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The linkage between corruption and poor governance is well established. This is particularly true in Africa, where fragile public institutions, weak civil society organizations, the lack of an independent judiciary, inadequately paid civil servants, and hiring and promotion systems that are not merit-based all interact to create a climate in which corruption can flourish. Likewise, limited access to communication technology and independent media in Africa, as well as a lack of modern tools for the management and dissemination of government data, means that citizens cannot hold government officials accountable for their actions and consequently, a culture of impunity leads to systemic corruption.

Country's within the African continent are not in the state they are today because of Apartheid or colonialism..they are poor..they are at war and they are suffering because of people like Mugabe...and whilst people still continue to blame white colonists for Africa's woes..people like Mugabe use that debate to conduct their corrupt governments. Mugabe is a smart man...he hasn't learnt his trade through his dealings with white governments...Mugabe is an opportunist who knows how to manipulate people. You can not...in a million years...blame anyone else for his actions.

All the while Mugabe keeps doing the following..
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Government supporters have been implicated in assault, arbitrary detention and torture. Journalists have been arrested and newspapers closed. A new law bans foreign human rights groups and imposes restrictions on local groups. Mugabe launched "Operation Marambatavina" -- Drive out the rubbish. Police and paramilitaries stormed poor neighborhoods, torching and bulldozing, leaving an estimated 1 million people homeless. This terrible situation has been made more desperate, according to Human Rights Watch, by Mugabe deliberately obstructing efforts by international humanitarian groups to help these victims of forced evictions. Meanwhile, Mugabe's oppressive rule has ravaged Zimbabwe's economy. Once Africa's breadbasket, Zimbabwe now is a basket case where people go to bed hungry. And last month, the inflation rate rose to 585 percent.

I do respect your opinion Hippi...and I don't want you to think I disagree with everything you have said about the African continent..but I do disagree about Zimbabwe....Mugabe is a murderer..he is an oppressor..a thug....and he has committed vile acts against his own people...no amount of "white rule" debate can tell me anyone else is to blame but Mugabe.
 
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Mugabe did this.... and this to peaceful protesters... and this to peoples homes....

We can't change the past....that's a fact..so blaming people who ruled and oppressed years ago won't do any good..and it won't effect change in Zimbabwe.

BTW: I doubt Beverley Davys family thinks anything bad of Charles Davy....there's no proof of his corruption....it's all hearsay IMHO
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« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2006, 08:45:52 AM »

I agree Wombat. While we can look at past regiments of control as contributing factors in how a present regime came to power and the reason as to why they possibly felt they had the right to do what they do/or was somehow influenced by the past. But ultimately the current regime/government is responisble. As they are the ones who either can contribute to change or are the cause of the damage being done.

--I know that is what you were already saying, just reiterating in my own words--
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« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2006, 08:47:44 AM »

And you did a better job than me...I was waffling on lmao lmao lmao

There's a good website about all of this its called the Zimbabwe Situation. That's where I got the Donald family stuff from.
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« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2006, 01:12:36 PM »

Thank you Wombat  20 21 20 21 20

The Davy's are victims just like everybody else under Mugabe rule...  31

and it was Mugabe ..NOT...Mr. Davy who has exacerbated the poverty in Zimbabwe....
everyone there (white and black) is caught in the crossfire of Mugabe's thrust for power... Sad
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« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2006, 03:39:33 PM »

i felt truly sorry for them
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« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2006, 06:09:50 AM »

I do respect your opinion Hippi...and I don't want you to think I disagree with everything you have said about the African continent..but I do disagree about Zimbabwe....Mugabe is a murderer..he is an oppressor..a thug....and he has committed vile acts against his own people...no amount of "white rule" debate can tell me anyone else is to blame but Mugabe.

thnx wombat...same from me  smile

i think no one who's remotely humane can absolve mugabe of his responsibility....to me...this argument wasn't about who wins the title of the "crueless' leader...past or present....rather i was pointing out that blaming a recent dictator...using an issue like land ownership for the mess Zimbabwe is in....ignores the historical precedance that allowed such a man come 2 power in the 1st place.....however.....i also acknowledge the fact that....Mugabe if he was sincere about addressing land ownership in a legal & fair way...he would've had done it during the 30 yrs he was in the gov't....instead of using it as a ploy 2 continue his corrupt regime.

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We can't change the past....that's a fact..so blaming people who ruled and oppressed years ago won't do any good..and it won't effect change in Zimbabwe.

i agree....you cannot  dwell in your 'poor victim me' role...rather learning from the past means not repeating similar horrendous mistakes.

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BTW: I doubt Beverley Davys family thinks anything bad of Charles Davy....there's no proof of his corruption....it's all hearsay IMHO
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i always thought...the relationship with Mugabe hasn't been disputed....but he has no direct connection with him...rather he deal with the current minister of agricultural & tourism.....besides....no one kept their 'commercial land' other than very few men...including Charles Davy 
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« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2006, 07:34:55 AM »

Wow..so many quotes in this thread and so little actual on topic talk about the Donald family
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