IT'S OVER ??????

[SUNBURST]

Okay, so I know we are all trying to not to read to much into this, for fear of being let down. So let's look at this logically. Now I am sure to leave some things out so please add anything I missed. These are NOT being mean or going by articles. Trying to only go by her actions.

1. Kate LOVES the lime light
2. Very bad at PR
3. Will do anything for that tiara

She first played the perfect Queen in tweeds, DUMPED, turned into party princess, BACK, went down hill from there as far as PR and her choices. The outfit at Peter's wedding, her actions at the Garter, her not working, dropping out of boat race to vacation with W. the list goes on. Then the real bad press starts, even though it is true (not working part) she does NOTHING for many months. No she waits until her reputation is completely in the dumper. So much so that it will take a year or more for her to prove herself to the public, if ever. Then:

1. last drunk club visit with W. - cannot get in car without showing too much
2. William disappears
3. Roller disco fiasco - show far too much, acts way over the top AGAIN, and short short shorts w/no underware
4. I'M WORKING she screams, have been this whole time,
5. I'M DOING CHARITY she screams
6. She is NOT  at William and Harry's good bye party

Please there is NOTHING except for William himself that would have kept her away from this party. She couldn't care less how it would look, after all the I am hard working atrticles. And it would be different, it is a going away party after all.

I think 1 of 2 things will happen now. She will revert to form, and go crazy with clubbing with no clothers. or ----
William said do that agian and I will make sure you and your family are black balled. You know quietly let it be known she (and they) are not wanting at high profile events that him or family could be at. I could see William doing that after what she did last summer (now this is assuming he is maturing and looking at things differently)

So opinions and let's have a blast!!

[Anyasha]

I do find it odd that Kate wasn't with William the other night, because she never misses a chance to be seen and photographed with him. It's pretty obvious from her insane grin that she loves the cameras and attention. However, I believe it's a bit too early to tell what's going on in their relationship yet. Perhaps Kate didn't go because she wants everyone to think she's too busy working. I actually wouldn't be surprised if an article came out tomorrow with her "friends" saying how badly she wanted to go but how she was just too busy "slaving" at PP at all hours of the night.

Also, Bea's boyfriend Dave wasn't there either. Does that mean their relationship is on the rocks? Probably not.

There are many reasons why Kate was not out with William the other night, but it doesn't all point to a breakup. Maybe he has "bolted" from her but personally I think we need a little bit more time to see.

[Lady_In_Waiting]

I'm with you on this one Sunburst. Something has been up for a while now. No Kate at the farewell do makes me even more suspicious. Even if there was a rift between her and William she would have turned up. She's turned up to things in the past when there has supposedly been a rift. Do you remember after Kate was seen with Willem last May people thought there was a rift then but she still turned up at the polo even though it was clear she and Wills had fallen out again. We have seen then together a few times before when there is supposedly a rift. Kate doesn't miss an photo opportunity to be seen with Wills or the Royals unless there is a split. I cannot imagine she would have miss the clubbing with the boys this week especially since they were going away. Whether there were rifts or not. Besides Kate's determination to prove herself to someone also has me suspicious. She did that last year when she and Wills split briefly. Again I'm beginning to wonder if they are still together because the signs aren't good between them at the minute and  wouldn't be at all suprised if they have indeed split again. Now William has been seen out and about it's only a matter of time before Kate does something. She always does. If William is in the papers especially if it's something good Kate usually does something of her own. Watch the press Kate will do something now to try and turn the attention on to her like she's done so in the past. She doesn't like William having all the attention especially when she is on a PR mission. Overall I think the end is near for these two if it hasn't already happened which I am expecting it has. I think it's being kept quiet whilst Wills and Harry are in Africa. But the clues are there and it'll start becoming more and more obvious to people eventually. Though I reckon we'll know for sure soon I don't think they'll wait till Wills is in the RAF it's still along way off.

[lurker]

  , LiW

I would say that they are at least in one of their cooling off periods once more if not broken up already. What always strikes me as odd is that William appears happy and relaxed whenever he's "off" with Kate. The recent Africa video shows him comfortably joking with Harry. He doesn't look like someone who just lost "the love of his life" but then he didn't look unhappy last year either after the break up. So whatever is going on, it doesn't seem to put a strain on him at all...

[Lady_In_Waiting]

There seems to be a media blackout surrounding Kate at the minute. It's gone quiet with her. The press aren't even asking why she wasn't at the club. I think they know something. They know what's is going on and they're keeping quiet for the minute. But for how long. I get the feeling Kate fans are going to be very dissapointed. Common media what's going on?

[sillyjobug]

I would say that, even ignoring her apparent enjoyment of the press, it's weird that she wasn't at Whiskey Mist. It was a going away party before her boyfriend takes part in an eight day, grueling charity bike ride in Africa, where he could actually get seriously injured. Why wouldn't a girlfriend be there for that? If my boyfriend were doing it, I would've thrown the party. So I think it's extra weird.

[indianprincess]

Now William has been seen out and about it's only a matter of time before Kate does something. She always does. If William is in the papers especially if it's something good Kate usually does something of her own. Watch the press Kate will do something now to try and turn the attention on to her like she's done so in the past. She doesn't like William having all the attention especially when she is on a PR mission

I agree with your post wholeheartedly LIW and indeed hope for it to be true but the portion of your post I've quoted sounds a bit iffy to me. It could well be that she and PW have broken up and she;s quitely licking her wounds. But IMO it's not a far fetched idea that she has indeed been officially promised a ring in private, by full consent of HM and the courtiers, if she can keep her profile low and let PW have his 5 mins of fame. After all it has been suspiciously quite on KM's front and it has never been so ona any of their previous cooling off periods. Maybe she ha already sealed the deal, in private,  and is secretly being tutored by HM herself on the various resposibilities and etiquette of being Queen. 

I'm sorry to rain on your parade ladies, but a breakup just sounds too good to be true. I've personally lost all faith on PW after last October's reconciliation.

[SUNBURST]

Indianprincess  I repectfully disagree. If there were any kind of "agreement" behind the scenes they would have NEVER allowed all this bad press. They would have done something big or small to help at the very least. It makes no sense to let in go on and on, for what to make their jobs 10 times more difficult in cleaning up the mess after the fact. Sorry, logically that makes no sense.

Whoever said maybe they are waiting till after the bike ride to really let info out about the breakup. That does make alot of sense. It would completely take away from what W&H and all those other people are doing - which is raising money for children and putting themselves in harms way to do it.

Great posts everyone - Thank You!!


Sorry for the double post - modify time ran out.

Okay someone explain to me why -

1. The press are not even mentioning Kate in some articles and when they do they just say she wasn't there. Nothing else.

2. The press are acting like William is single. Why, if they still go with the getting married junk, do they write like he is flirting up a storm with 3 different women and that's okay. If he was almost engaged shouldn't they be raking him over the coals.

3. Nothing yet about Kate, why?? It is like she doesn't exist. Not like someone they have shoving down our thoughts for the last 3 years (? on time line) as William's true love and future Queen.

so??



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[Kuei Fei]

The thing is, Kate is more trouble than she's worth. They're not engaged or married and already they've had to appear together to stop rumors of a rift.

She brings more and more liabilities with her than she does advantages. She brings so many pictures that show her in a disreputable light, snarky reports, and her biggest problem is her complete inability to behave with dignity. She's not maturing or growing and every time William tries to distance himself she goes out and does something that drags the spotlight to her.

I once mentioned that maybe they allow her to go to events if she refrains from embarrassing William by acting out. She's like an unstable child who everyone placates to avoid more trouble. I think if William were to permanently break away, then she might have some sort of serious meltdown and it would simply add to the problems the courtiers already have. Maybe he sticks with her because they aren't sure how to handle getting rid of her.


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[lurker]

The press are acting like William is single. Why, if they still go with the getting married junk, do they write like he is flirting up a storm with 3 different women and that's okay. If he was almost engaged shouldn't they be raking him over the coals.

First of all I don't think William actually flirted all that heavily. The pictures we have show him talking to Christina Aguilera, a married woman with  young child who was at the club with her husband - I doubt he actually flirted with her when her hubby sat right next to them. Then we have the pic of him ignoring Paris Hilton and listening to the other blond. I do not believe the Daily Star version in which he was oh-so flirty with Christina and Paris. I think they just added that part to make the whole thing more juicy. The article in the DM said he chatted to the unknown blond for 30 minutes. Though they said he looked like he enjoyed her attention, they didn't say he was actually flirting back or doing anything a g/f should be worried about. I think if he really was flirting they would have written about him hugging, kissing, touching other women or at least dancing with them - no such things were mentioned and we all know that the British tabs are not shy when it comes to making the Princes look like playboys. This outing does not (yet) resemble those of last year where he reportedly danced and "snogged" with other women (though one can of course also question the truth in those stories).


I think the press made the best out of the story they could. William didn't act in a way that clearly sends signs either way. He talked to other woman (two of them famous celebrities he would never start anything with in the first place ) something even a man in a relationship can hardly be forbidden to do but he was not there with his g/f either which is unusual. I do not think that he acted like a single man or that the papers treated him like he was. I think just like us the journos are not sure how to interpret this recent outing and are currently ringing up their "sources" to find out what's the deal with WillKAt. Before they know more, they do not want to make any clear statement either way so as not to embarrass themselves when drawing the wrong conclusions.

[GwenCat]

After seeing the new pics, he looked like he was "tolerating" those women. And only tolerating.
Wonder who the blonde was at the other club though?

[lurker]

Which blond, which other club?
The DM said he talked to a blond in Whiskey Mist - I assume it's the one to his right whom he seems to listen to in the picture with Paris. In that particular pic he certainly doesn't look smitten with her but then pics are only seconds banned on film (or mobile chips) so he may have been all over her a second later - not that any article said as much. I stick by my pov that he was being a "good boy" that night and did nothing but polite conversation.
It is not William's behaviour that makes me question their relationship, it is simply the fact that Kate missed this outing and that we haven't yet heard camp Midds tell us why... Had the articles all given (more or less) reliable information where Kate was and why she wasn't there, I would probably not have made much out of this but the silcence regarding her absence speaks louder than words, IMO...

[koolkat]

gee just cuz she wasnt there >_>

[Berlin]

Maybe he's not openly flirting with girls like he did before last year's breakup because he doesn't want to be labeled a cad.  By doing charity and his work with the RAF it would seem as if him and Kate simply grew apart and he wants to focus on hsi career and royal duty.  But by being seen talking to other girls he's saying I'm still looking for "the one".

[serene grace]

Pr. William may be building his image to a single entity "Prince William"(without a girlfriend attached to him) Single Prince, Military Prince, Charity Prince, Action-Man-MotorBike-Adventure Prince.

He was just sitting with those starlets for just a few minutes, it won't damage his image, but perhaps it's to send a message that he is now single.

[king aurthor]

good post Berlin.
 I think he is looking to do this in a less messy way (like last year)

[Berlin]

I made a few grammatical errors in my previous post.  Sorry.

But yes, I hope it is true that he's trying to make a clean break.  I would be so proud of him if he does.  I want to see the William I saw when he was in Chile, before Kate clung to him, but in a way that reflects his current age.

[brittanylala]

It's not over till the fat lady sings...

[serene grace]

as well we know,
...but Kate is not engaged until William asks so, she's still in limbo and just his girlfriend, he can still end it or propose,it's up to him.
So far in the relationship,he has dumped her, but he has never proposed.

Maybe the act of going out alone on his party-night before his trip was a clear message, that he is might be single again.
(notice I said "might be")

[lurker]

Nothing new in the papers on the Will and Kate front this Sunday and so far a no show by Kate. Looks like she does not yet feel a need to show that she is more fun than Christina and Paris and biker pics.

[Amun]

It's also Sunday.  Give her time.  Or she might be keeping a low-profile this time because she knows there will be no chance of saving the relationship.  Wills is showing signs that he's growing up.  Things that would have worked on an insecure man because he doesn't want to deal with his responsibilities, doesn't work on a man who's come to the realization of what he wants and how to acheive the goals he's set for himself.  In joining the RAF for four years, he's clearly stating what he wants to do.  He's in no rush to get married - why should he?  He's only 26 and it's not like he's going to be King tomorrow.  He has time to sort things out, live a little, and explore a bit.  I think he's ready to live up to his royal responsibilities.  We've seen tons of pictures of him with Kate's family but not very many of her with his.  If there is a riff with her and the royals, as reported directly from Bea's mouth at the roller thing, then things are truly over for Kate because it looks like Wills has chosen his family over her.  Good thing.  I'm very pleased of him IF he's realized this. 

Plus I don't think it's Kate that this is affecting.  I think the entire Middleton clan is being shown the door.

[Princess H]

Amun,

   Excellent summary of how recent news about William may affect his relationship with KM.

[SUNBURST]

Great Post Amun!!!!

[hallo girl]

I missed what it was Bea had said at the roller disco with regards a rift with kate    Could we all be on the wrong track here.. could it be she has already been asked the question and has accepted but agreed to keep it under wraps for some time, and therfore she does not feel the need to perform for the cameras as she feels so secure in her relationship

[sandy]

I doubt there are any "secret" engagements. The QUeen doesn't tolerate them and if they are kept under wraps its usually no more than 2 weeks. I think if she WERE engaged there would have been no need for Kate on the Party Pieces website and she wouldn't have participated in the skating fiasco. She would not be seen at either place. And with William apparently having a busy calendar with the RAF I doubt they would have gotten engaged now. I don't think there is security for Kate in the relationship even if they haven't broken up yet. A formal proposal with  real ring and made public would be the only possible path to security for Kate.