Chelsy & Harry: The End Of The Affair

[anitalalala]

I think a "friends with benefits" situation is the last thing that Chelsy wants from Harry. If she didn't care about him committing completely to her, then why did she break up with him when he was found to be unfaithful? I think his lack of commitment and fidelity to her is why she walked last year. If they are taking things slowly that may be because the all-important ingredient in any relationship -- trust -- is now lacking.

I havent though things in this way..but u made a good point about it...
As i said i cant be sure..only shooting in the dark honestlly...
as for the chok about "friends with benefits" to me its a pretty normal thing..no matter what time ure from ..it depends on how u see things...
To judge as a bad thing in my conception  shows very limitaded mind...or very tough raising...
But then again thats a personal way of seeing things...
And no im not in agreement with it or had ever did such thing but i dont see anyhting wrong about it either anyway....

As for the relationship status i thin people are waiting too much..i mean the same way a rugvby match and tv show dont prove theyre dating i guess a polo match wont do it too!
I mean...

If theyre toguether they are definetlly mainteaning it in a very low and private level...
Wich is not impossibel..basied on the fact that both have changed duriong the year they were apart..but i think its very umprobable...
I mean thats my opinion at least..that no theyre not "officially" a couple!

[tarotnewbie]

no death for chelsy
chelsy may go to barbados harry two 'holiday' no work in January maybe not allowed?
so chelsy and harry barbados?

[Ursula]

Vivienne, I'm trying to understand your point about Chelsy not wanting to be friends with benefits view and why Chelsy wouldn't want that. But my thinking is that if she doesn't trust Harry, why is she still with him? What's keeping her holding on to a relationship with a man in which he can't stop cheating? Granted, they are in love and people in love don't always think straight but if he keeps cheating now, he will never stop. So I know that your point was that Chelsy will never settle for being friends with benefits but why is she settling for a cheater? If I'm not mistaken, you said that she doesn't trust him because he cheated so much?

His title may have something to do with it.  I doubt very much she would take this from a Joe Average.   

[sillyjobug]

Women take crap from average joes every day. It's not only celebs and royals that cheat, and it'd not only their partners that let it slide.

[vivienne]

You read my post correctly, B'lynD. I think she doesn't trust him and that's why they're taking it slowly... From what I understand there had been other alleged instances of cheating as well.

Why does she settle for a cheater? That's a very good question. I agree with Ursula that if he were a regular Joe she would have walked years ago.

If she really didn't mind a casual relationship, then why the big break up? Why even bother to try to make him jealous with Dom and Dan? But she is holding out for that commitment from him -- friends with benefits won’t get her that. That's why they were in negotiations (according to the tabs) all summer. She wants A Committed, Exclusive Relationship. I do not believe she will settle for less -- and she shouldn't have to. And, personally, although there has been no evidence to support it, I think that she broke up with him in Jan 09 because he was cheating and not bellying up to the bar with a commitment.

There seems to me a clear pattern here. Does Chelsy want to be the next Elin Woods? I don't think Harry will put as many notches on his bedpost as Tiger, but I do think that once he and Chelsy break the endless cycle of breaks ups and make ups, he may start to look around for other conquests. Hopefully not.

Of course, I don't really have a clue one way or the other. I'm just trying to make sense of it all based on the little I know and intuition...

What are your thoughts, B'lynD?

[Lindelle]

End Of Affair? Huh! Still waiting...................... ....and hoping

[Ursula]

Is there room for two under there?   

[Lindelle]

Ursula I thought you were sleeping.
Said goodnight to you only a few hours ago.

OH MY GOD HAVE I BEEN ON HERE ALL THAT TIME!!!!!!!!!

[Ursula]

Yup.  Been there done that and now it's time for the morning fix.   

[Hale]

Well, yes, about a month ago they were seen at X Factor and at rugby....but since then they have been photographed apart. I'm just wondering why she wasn't moved to current girlfriend after X Factor, instead of now when they have not been photographed together for a month?

It's not a big deal, I was just wondering about the timing and if there were new (in the past few days) photos or evidence of them being in a committed long-term relationship that I had missed.

I guess because people wanted to wait and see first.  Despite the newspapers saying they had reunited there hasn't been many sightings of them together.  Personally, I suspect we shan't see many sightings of them in the future either and that is because their relationship and their various splits have made the headlines several times.  I am hoping that the St.J's PR are actually doing something worthwhile on behalf of Harry and advising him to keep it low where Chelsy's concerned.  The last think the monarchy needs is a Burton & Taylor type royal relationship.  That's not good PR.

As for the Mauritius holiday.

However, I have said on another thread, that perhaps the reason Harry did not go, was more political then anything. His brother was doing the Tusk celebrations and this would be a media event. It would not sit well in some quarters, if it was also mentioned that Harry was with his gf and her family enjoying sand and sun, when Chelsy's father's business is in conflict with The Tusk Charity. Again,

That's possible.  I also think it has a great deal to do with the recession over here.  When you have had people losing their jobs and their homes the last thing you want to read about is your public figures having a whale of a time in sunny exotic destinations.

Take note, that W & K went to Mustique last year, but no pics.  Again, I think one of the reasons has to do with the recession, the Queen is said to be very sensitive of such things. 

[Miss Scarlett]

I just wonder how H&C can entertain the idea of a grown-up relationship when she's taking off for 6 months.  These 2 seem to get along much better when the relationship is long distance, like when Chelsy lived in SA.  When they lived in the same country, it fell to pieces.  They never even lived in the same city, although they did spend time in London. 

Now they're supposedly back together, and Chelsy is taking off yet again.  I think things will go swimmingly while she's traveling the world since they won't have to see much of each other, and when they do, it will be that exotic honeymoon phase again.  Absence makes the heart grow fonder and all. 

But how does that provide any sort of solid foundation for a "real" relationship, or marriage for that matter?

[wannabe]

I've always thought their relationship was a vacationship. Have they spent real normal time together?

[sandy]

How do you define "normal time"?  I think "dating" is normal time for a couple.

[wannabe]

In 5 years, almost all their meeting time where carried out in a holiday destination.  They spent little to nothing doing normal couple stuff. Perhaps they did, and we don't know? But then, I doubt Harry went to Leeds to spend weekends over there, once or twice?! She was the one who would come, and IMO, was more in the company of Bubbles and a bobble of blonds partying rather than with H?!

[sandy]

What is normal couple stuff? They went to clubs, movies, beaches,concerts. Seems normal to me.

[Hale]

But then, I doubt Harry went to Leeds to spend weekends over there, once or twice?!

I read somewhere that Harry went to Leeds once, but hated it and never repeated it.

[Miss Scarlett]

I read the same, but also got the impression he really couldn't return due to security concerns.

I agree that C&H have had a "vacationship."  There's nothing wrong with that, but when push came to shove in the "real world" (well, as real as it'll get for these 2), they couldn't make it work.  "Real time" together is living in the same city, doing things on a very frequent basis together, etc.  H&C have had a relationship from one jetset location to another with months of time in between seeing each other.

[Stix Chix]

^yep.  the area she was living in was called the most burgled street in England.  and that poor guy was murdered just down the road from her former flat last year.  i'm actually a little surprised she stayed in the house all those years.  i'd have turned around and ran at the sight of it and i'm no millionaires daughter!


between their differing schedules and the distance between them they don't often have time to have "real time" together.  if Kate and William do its because 1. they were living together for a couple years and 2. Kate not only lives full time in the UK but she's pretty much built her life around fitting in with William's schedule.  

Chelsy could do the same as Kate.  she could put off O&A or give it up entirely.  she could have not accepted A&O's deferment and just stayed in London waiting for Harry to get off work so he could be with her.  but doing so would mean giving up a lot of her own interests and opportunities.   and heck, Harry could change his life around to be a more convenient boyfriend but he'd have to leave the army...or at least give up his current training with the AAC.  he could be working behind a desk at the Windsor Barracks and see Chelsy every day.

but both seem to take into consideration that the other has bigger fish to fry right now.  my God when i think of the things Kate's missed out on i get irritated at William for either not pushing her to follow her dreams or for telling her its not possible.  i respect Harry and Chelsy for making it work in spite of all the walls that come up between them....i really respect them for giving each other the space to manage it.  

what's important is that they make time to be together.  and wether you're miles apart or living in the same house that's a big deal in a relationship.

[mousie_kins]

  brilliant post

I completely agree I with everything above apart from

my God when i think of the things Kate's missed out on i get irritated at William for either not pushing her to follow her dreams or for telling her its not possible

William is only partly to blame. I think Kate is more to blame. It was her choice to drop her friends and not get a job until William pushed her too.

[tarotnewbie]

"Now they're supposedly back together, and Chelsy is taking off yet again.  I think things will go swimmingly while she's traveling the world since they won't have to see much of each other"

i wonder do Chelsy need plans and Harry no plans unless vacation?

[anita]

I'm amazed at how easy it is to criticize other people's choices without having any knowledge at all of what the background or reason for the decision was. I'm also amazed that people can state things about others without knowing them. I'm amazed how much power the tabloids have. Reading people's posts tell me that so many believe most of what they read. I find that scary. I'm also rather amazed at the way a few posters seem to be given some sort of "she knows things" status. I'm convinced that no poster here knows any more about Kate and Chelsy than I do and all my knowledge come from reading papers/the net ( including FB)and watching TV. Nobody here has any other information, don't let yourselves be fooled.

I don't know that Kate gave up on her friends, her job , her life to wait for William. I don't know the reasons for her choices.  I don't know that she doesn't live a very fulfilled life just now. I don't know if Chelsy really plans to throw herself into a her job as a lawyer or if she will have to start preparing for a job in The Firm just like Kate has had to do. You don't know that either.
There is a difference between an opinion and a fact. What if we made that difference clear in our posts?

[anitalalala]

'm amazed at how easy it is to criticize other people's choices without having any knowledge at all of what the background or reason for the decision was. I'm also amazed that people can state things about others without knowing them. I'm amazed how much power the tabloids have. Reading people's posts tell me that so many believe most of what they read. I find that scary. I'm also rather amazed at the way a few posters seem to be given some sort of "she knows things" status. I'm convinced that no poster here knows any more about Kate and Chelsy than I do and all my knowledge come from reading papers/the net ( including FB)and watching TV. Nobody here has any other information, don't let yourselves be fooled.

I don't know that Kate gave up on her friends, her job , her life to wait for William. I don't know the reasons for her choices.  I don't know that she doesn't live a very fulfilled life just now. I don't know if Chelsy really plans to throw herself into a her job as a lawyer or if she will have to start preparing for a job in The Firm just like Kate has had to do. You don't know that either.There is a difference between an opinion and a fact. What if we made that difference clear in our posts?

I agree completly and find ure post excelent and much to do with the same way i also believe things to be.
I just disagree about the kates part only..i mean...i agree with everyhting u said...but in my opinion the reasons why so many people here at chelsy thread seems to find it easy to believe in everyhting "bad" that the press says about kates life and decisions and so easilly believe in everything thats written positivelly about chelsyon..is the same reason why people "there" at kates threads find it , also, very easy to believe in every single negative press about chelsy..and thind it very easy to believe in everything positive written about kates..

Its a never ending discussion..and as i have pointed out before once people start to accept that just because one is ure fav..doesnt mean u need to denigrate the other image.
Opinions will always be opinion, but sometimes an opinion badlly interpretated can start a hole new discussion...coz to me at least in the end both girls are diferent but with a lot in common..and both live or have lived basically the same situations and been trough basically the same pressures and judgements.
So i see no reason for given them both diferent treatements when it comes to creating opinions or making judgements...

Its so more sensible to say oh i believe in such article coz i like this gal and through my perspectives and intuitions i believe to be true..or that u think that such article is valid coz u actually dont like the gal..so all u can think uis negative things about her...
Cause honestlly in the end thats all we can do...base our opinions into our perceptions, intuitions and likes/deslikes..coz the truth itself we dont know..to make such affirmations about both gals...
But thats my opinion anyway....
And i think u said very wiselly also...

[Hale]

  post Stix Chix.    

I'm amazed at how easy it is to criticize other people's choices without having any knowledge at all of what the background or reason for the decision was. I'm also amazed that people can state things about others without knowing them. I'm amazed how much power the tabloids have. Reading people's posts tell me that so many believe most of what they read. I find that scary. I'm also rather amazed at the way a few posters seem to be given some sort of "she knows things" status. I'm convinced that no poster here knows any more about Kate and Chelsy than I do and all my knowledge come from reading papers/the net ( including FB)and watching TV. Nobody here has any other information, don't let yourselves be fooled.

With respect, I think you are taking these posts to heart.  I do not know any members of the RF and have never claimed to, or their WAG's or their social set.  However, I am aware the opinions I put forward are strong ones.  Why?  It's because I'm into the British Royal Family.  I love reading about them and I love conversing with those who are also interested in them.  It's good to exchange ideas and thoughts, and it is perfectly healthy to disagree.   

[vivienne]

^yep.  the area she was living in was called the most burgled street in England.  and that poor guy was murdered just down the road from her former flat last year.  i'm actually a little surprised she stayed in the house all those years.  i'd have turned around and ran at the sight of it and i'm no millionaires daughter!

I've never understood the excuse that Harry could not visit her for security reasons. From what I understand -- and please correct me if I'm wrong -- she moved after her first term when Harry (or his security detail) voiced concerns over the security and/or living situation in her first flat. So she moved. Apparently to another flat where the security was again questionable. It seems to me that there is a strange disconnect not only between Chelsy and Harry's protection staff but from Harry as well. Why not get these things hammered out before she even moves to the country? It seems to me Chelsy was getting toyed with (at the very least neglected) by both Harry and his staff...

I think Harry dropped the ball here. He should have had his staff coordinate with Chelsy and her family about a suitable place for her to live. It kind of makes it look like her move back to the UK was entirely of her own design, rather than Harry asking her to live in England as we've heard in the press.

[Ursula]

vivienne, I think you're absolutely correct.  I believe it was her idea to move to the UK and not his or it would have been a more coordinated effort.