Wills he pop the question?

[sandy]

No it's not. It's more like them talking about their future (oh we'll get married someday etc) but NOT with a date set or an engagement ring. A secret engagement means that one proposed to the other formally and it had to be "hidden." Kate and Wills obviously are not hiding anything when it comes to their relationship that they are together in a committed relationship. But I seriously doubt she is Wills "fiancee" in all senses of the word.




If she were his "fiancee" then she would be more entrenched in the royal circle. Something like Princess of Sweden's engagement announcement--the world knows they are engaged though I think they had a committed relationship before this happened but no engagement.


You seem fixated yourself. And again, why is it stated unequivocally (as posters have--this debate didn't start only recently) that such an engagement exists without any evidence to really back it up. I think they want it the way it is for now, but being "secretly engaged" really does bring a lot more to the table. If they broke up for example then it would not be a breakup but breaking off an engagement and some go so far as saying a date is "set" --so a breakup would mean cancelling wedding plans that have been arragned, right?

[Vanity6]

They probably do have an understanding. I just doubt he's actually gotten on bended knee and gave her a ring making them engaged as the tabloids would have us believe (as fans want to believe). If there's an understanding, I question its solidarity. During their cooling off periods, especially in 2007, did they ever call things off? As I said, piece everything together, and they've only been good for the last to 2 years. Some of you are pretty bent on believing this couple hasn't had problems and it's only been roses for them and I'm not sure why. It's a fantasy to think they're perfect. 

[sandy]

No couple is perfect and nobody lives in a garden of eden. I think they have differences like trillions of other couples and it isn't all heaven.

[Ursula]

No one here has stated unequivocally that they're secretly engaged.  The unequivocal climate seems to be on the side that they can't be. 

[Vanity6]

The theory crumbles considering everything. It becomes improbable. 

[sandy]

I don't think Wills is the type to drag on a "secret" engagement for years.

ANd there have been many insisting they are "secretly" engaged and the date is set. Check some of the other threads.

[Trudie]

Well one thing is certain if he is about to pop the question he will have to wait until after the general election. I also doubt very highly there is a secret engagement. When Charles and Diana were engaged I believe it was the Times who announced it the day before the official announcement. Something like that is extremely hard to keep a secret.

[drezzle]

No one here has stated unequivocally that they're secretly engaged.  

I'm not sure about that?  Those claims sounded purdy unequivocal to me.

I think the problem is to imagine there is no secret engagement or not even some kind of understanding since that makes Kate look bad and it makes Willyums look even worse. 

[Ursula]

drezzle, I understand your point but, personally, I haven't argued that there's an understanding or secret engagement in order to make them look better, because I don't see a problem with their relationship.  I don't feel there's anything that requires defending.  I've just always believed that the signs were there that she is "the one" and that the relationship is progressing.  

Maybe part of the problem here is that people have different definitions of a secret engagement.  I equate it to an understanding between them.  No, I do not believe there's a ring tucked away in a safe or that the greymen are meeting at midnight to plan the wedding, but I do believe there's a clear understanding between this couple that this is the real deal. 

[wannabe]

Forums, opinions...

[SUNBURST]

drezzle, I understand why you say it would make them look bad, I have had similar thoughts myself. Isn't possible though that from the start William said listen I care about you (this is the beginning) etc.,but you have to understand what my life will be like for the next few years, etc. I need to and am going to be concentrating on these things (military and King stuff) and there really is nothing left over for a serious relationship, not for many years. Doesn't that seem logical. William has given us many impressions, hasn't he shown to some extend that he doesn't leave alot to chance, that he thinks things though. As to Kate, I have been in relationships where I really liked the guy, he wanted to do more with other parts of his life than with a relationship so I agreed, said it was cool, always hoping that he would change at some point, blah, blah, blah. I don't believe for a second that I am the only women out there that has done that. I was in my 20's, mid 20's, same as Kate. I would never, ever do it again, I have grown and learned. Kate has not had that chance. Also, one thing that has never (I think) been disputed by either side is that Kate is in love with William, that is obvious. If she did this, it does not make her bad or even pitiful, it makes her human and a girl in her 20's learning some of life's lessons.

I don't doubt they have talked about their relationship, I just don't think it is about getting married. I think it is about William living his life and not ready to consider a serious relationship yet. It looks to me like he likes and cares about Kate, enjoys her company, however is not madly in love with her. Not in love at all. Sorry IMO

So OT I don't think William will ever pop the question to Kate.

[Lady63]

Let's face it once if he marry's Kate, he's then responsible for ALL her expenses, at present her parents provide her with her lodgings and job and most likely her pocket money, at 28 being still looked after by Mum and Dad is imho just a little embarrassing.  But it is what it is and maybe William is just trying to get enough money behind him so he can, when the time is right support his wife in the same way she is now. 

Regards,
Lady63

[wannabe]

I doubt she gets 'pocket money'.

[sandy]

Let's face it once if he marry's Kate, he's then responsible for ALL her expenses, at present her parents provide her with her lodgings and job and most likely her pocket money, at 28 being still looked after by Mum and Dad is imho just a little embarrassing.  But it is what it is and maybe William is just trying to get enough money behind him so he can, when the time is right support his wife in the same way she is now. 

Regards,
Lady63

Well William doesn't have to save for a condo in the suburbs or enough to pay for the wedding and renting a hall. LOL

[Lindelle]

Nah, he won't pop it

[drezzle]

Also, one thing that has never (I think) been disputed by either side is that Kate is in love with William, that is obvious. If she did this, it does not make her bad or even pitiful, it makes her human and a girl in her 20's learning some of life's lessons.

Nobody knows how much or if Kate might be in love with Wills.  I've seen some pictures of her that would make me question that.   However, if she is madly in love with Wills and is willing to wait forever for him, then yes that unfortunately makes her human and a girl in her 20s learning one of life's hardest lessons.  If that is true, would it mean Wills is taking advantage of her?

[Kate]

It's an unique relationship in that he is future king...I think he respects her enough not to want her hurt or take advantage of her, however, I'm sure he has gone over, what is expected from him in other areas of his life and a romantic relationship would have to be at the bottom of the list during certain years until he reaches a certain age, to consider marriage.If she has chosen to take the chance ...that's her decision... if for some reason, the relationship falls through, it was Kate that put her life on hold.... she could have been expanding her life while the wait was on, IMO..

[Lady63]

Imho she has used her twenties to ensure she was in the best possible position to nab William.  No 'ordinary' girl from the burbs, without the financial backing of her parents, could afford to do what she has done.  If she doesn't marry him, she will be one unhappy lady, that's why I don't believe they truly broke up the last time.  She was just 'too happy' for it to be real imho.

Regards,
lady63

[sillyjobug]

I've sat here for a bit reading the past few pages... very interesting. The conversation, that is, not the actual couple. They're quite dull. What strikes me about the discussions though is that... we're all just telling our opinions here. None of us know anything definitively. Even what's been in the press isn't certain for the most part. But we take what info we get, we each assess it and decide if we believe it, and we use that to inform our opinions. So what I don't get is... how come people who believe W&K have had a rocky relationship, based on articles with titles like "William and Kate's Rocky Relationship," are evidently "wrong" while those who state (in some case unequivocally) that they have a secret engagement, based purely on their own intuition and beliefs, are "right." Frankly none of us are right or wrong. None of us KNOW anything for a fact. So let's not act like we do, and let's not insult other people's opinions, or scoff at their referencing of articles, or any such thing. Let's have a friendly, polite, civil discussion.

[Ursula]

Imho she has used her twenties to ensure she was in the best possible position to nab William.  No 'ordinary' girl from the burbs, without the financial backing of her parents, could afford to do what she has done.  If she doesn't marry him, she will be one unhappy lady, that's why I don't believe they truly broke up the last time.  She was just 'too happy' for it to be real imho.
Regards,
lady63

I think you're correct.   

[Lindelle]

Ursula, you said in a previous post that he asked her to marry him last year?

What was her answer?

[Trudie]

I don't think he is going to pop the question anytime soon. As with all things royal an engagement cannot overshadow any important events it has to be penciled in. Now isn't that romantic.

[Countess of Highgrove]

I am sure William and Kate have enjoyed their romantic times during their relationship but at this point,their marriage is a state event and as cold as that may sound it is fact. So, yes cooperation between the RF and the government is required and timing will likely be an issue. Additionally,there will be costs that will be incurred by the government for extra police, the cleanup etc.

[Kate]

I doubt she gets 'pocket money'.

Perhaps cheque signing privledges? That would do it!

Ursula, you said in a previous post that he asked her to marry him last year?

What was her answer?

Also, in the proper tradition, in the old fashion way, prior to an engagment announcement, I'm sure William would ask Mr. Middleton, for his daughter's hand in marriage ( IMO)... I wonder how that will/would work... Should K&W discuss the progress of their relationship every so many months or whatever, and in their minds marriage is their goal, when would this tradition supposedly take place? I can see Wm doing this.. . after all is said and done... (half in fun, whole in ernest and without any bashing!)



 

[anita]

So many of you say you are married. Did you all go around in total darkness not knowing if you would get married or not until your husbands proposed? Well, if so I think you are exceptions. I think most couples have many conversations about if and when before the proposal. Not necessarily a secret engagement but an understanding that a wedding will take place at a certain time. Isn't that what most likely is happening between W and K too?