Prince William to receive his wings today

[Lindelle]

Oh Ursula you are soooooooooooooooo right.

They just can't get a break can they?

[Ursula]

Oh Ursula you are soooooooooooooooo right.

They just can't get a break can they?

Right Lindelle, apparently they can't. 

[Mimi-chan]

And I think William and Kate looked like a normal, loving couple in that video.  Did you expect her to sit in his lap!?     Funny, first they're accused of not touching, etc in public, yet when we see an example of a loving exchange, they're "just friends."  Okay.   

I agree. They looked very happy to me. I think they looked like a regular couple in love and the video of Kate rubbing William's back was so adorable!

[Countess of Highgrove]

Shades of things to come! 

[Kate]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1243336/Prince-William-awarded-wings.html

...'Obviously, Prince Charles would have done the job quite well, but he would have been expected to bring Camilla,' says the friend.
'Australasia is a long way and she is a poor traveller.' '...

So we have now found out that Camilla is a 'poor traveller' wonder how that's going to effect any future tours, especially Down Under and NZ, if she's such a poor tourist.  And lord she won't like our summers and our winters will not be a good bet because that's when they have their holiday's.  Seems she married the wrong fellow as Charles does a lot of tours.  

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Regards,
Lady63

Nonsense...Camilla may be a poor traveller, but as already stated, it didn't bother her to go to Bermuda and Italy and other places while both were married to others.
IMO, they realize the reception in Australian and NZ may be as negative as the one they received in Canada, only more so.... Couldn't chance another shot at the ego, for either one...
OTH, who but Diana's son, to help strengthen the ties to the monarchy !??

Thanks, Kelly, Wannabe and all, for the links. They look happy enough to me, and although not a fan of Kate's ( due to her work ethics - ( must always make sure I state why)) as long as they are happy in the long run!!

[wannabe]

As negative as in Canada, most likely. OT, after the operation, she might have become a 'poor traveler'.

[lisalisa88]

For all the talk about how loving and adorable WK was towards William (when is he going to rub her back?), she's still not engaged to him, now is she?     His closest aides do not know what direction this relationship is going.  The article said no one knows what William intends to do re: WK.  Not even Kate knew William was going to stay in the military for another 5 yrs. and that's saying something!  In one of William's interviews, he did say he uses his brother Harry to "test" the waters first; he was talking about entering military school, Sandhurst, so no, its not fictional!!  After all this time, for him to keep his feelings close to his chest re: WK may mean he wants to protect her from media attention or he really is just not that into her!!

Some men, not all, will say and do anything to keep the status quo.  Like I said in my early post, his friends spoke of him being too lazy to look around and the women he was interested in was not interested in him!  There's only so much the male ego can take!  WK may get William by default because she waited, and waited, and waited!!  When William does finally thinks he's ready to marry and looks around the landscape and see there's no one but WK then maybe he'll "settle" for her and hope for the best.  Some think he will not keep up the tradition of having a mistress but you never know.   

And again, Karagiosis, please keep us informed of the tidbits you keep getting--and who's the senior figure who told off WK?  I can only guess who!!

[MapleLeaf]

Karagiosis, it nice to see you're still around--not scared off because some don't like what you have to say.  Let's see, what was it that you said--oh yeah, a prince did breakup w/his girlfriend, not William, but Harry!!  And didn't William say Harry was his guinea pig--"to test the waters first".  It makes sense that it would be Harry to publicly breakup w/Chelsy, to see how the media would react.  After the '07 breakup, William would probably want to avoid any more "relationship embarrassment" so he & Kate remain friends.  From the video, they look more friendly than loving!  But one may never know, even if they do marry!  William's friends allegedly said he remains w/Kate because he's too lazy to look for someone else who he may have to train all over again to blend in w/the royals, lack of suitable & eligible women (they're getting married now, and the pool is drying up) and ,of course, Kate is very easy--no drama.  And last but not least, they're still not engaged, RIGHT??  

lisalisa88, I don't know if you're referring to what karagiosis said on this forum in November and December of 2008, but if you are, karagiosis didn't say a "prince" broke up with his girlfriend.  karagiosis specifically stated that William and Kate had had another break up, and that the public would find out about it about two weeks from the date she first posted her comment, which was 30 November.  But the time came and went, and it didn't happen.  Then karagiosis posted another comment stating that some sort of public announcement about a break up would happen a couple of weeks later.  And again, it didn't happen.  Then karagiosis said for the public to wait still another "30 days or so", and maybe we (the public) would hear about a supposed breakup.  And one more time, it didn't happen.  karagiosis was wrong.  
And at no time did karagiosis make any comments about knowing the status of Harry's relationship with Chelsy.

Regarding Harry as Wills' relationship guinea pig: Wills has never in his life been quoted as saying Harry was his guinea pig with regards to relationships.  The only time Wills was quoted as mentioning Harry being a guinea pig was in connection with military service.

As for Wills and Kate 'looking like friends': Wills and Kate look the same as any other couple would look in those circumstances.  They were at an official function, and there's really nothing else they could've done that would make them look any more 'couple-ly' ( I know, it's not a real word!) than what they were already doing.

In the pics Wills is either leaning against Kate or angling his body towards hers, and in the few pics where his face can be seen, he has a big smile.  In the videos Kate briefly pats Wills' back in a very normal, 'wifely' or long-time girlfriend kind of gesture.  Their behaviour was no different than any other couple's behaviour in the same situation.

As for Wills not being that into Kate, where's the proof that he isn't?  Wills has been steady with Kate ever since they got back together in 2007.  Anyone can say what they imagine, but if you don't have any proof, it's just your words vs Wills' actions.  So far Wills' actions are winning.  He behaves like a man who wants to be with the woman he's with.

Here are some pics of the Wings ceremony:

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http://www.abacausa.com/ximagi/search.php?u=&assignment_id=56648

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[Countess of Highgrove]

Thank you, Mapleleaf for injecting reality to the situation! 

I wish we could have seen William's face in the pictures with Kate.

[lisalisa88]

What reality?  as usual, some of you always go over the deep end whenever  posts don't jive w/other member's comments.  William was nice and polite to her in public, what else was he suppose to do?  I like Karagiosis' posts because its the yin to ML's yang!!  If he was all that into her, by now he could or should make their relationship more "official" than keeping everyone guessing--and I don't mean the public or the media, what about his family?  Richard Kay did said in his article that there's still too much guessing where this relationship is concern and that has the couriers worry because no royal relationship has gone on this long w/o some formality to it!  And no matter what you say, ML, they're still not engaged!!   

[wannabe]

I'm biting lisalisa, so then he will get what he wants and she too!

[marine2109]

William of England as a driver license

http://www.hola.com/noticias-de-actualidad/16-01-2010/71281/casasreales/

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=tr&ie=UTF-8&sl=es&tl=en&u=http://www.hola.com/noticias-de-actualidad/16-01-2010/71281/casasreales/&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhg6b8FAW9i1z1YtB4-o735_dkeGEA

William of Wales is licensed as a pilot before the proud look of Kate Middleton

http://www.hola.com/realeza/casa_inglesa/2010011612373/kate1/middleton/asistencia/1/

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=tr&ie=UTF-8&sl=es&tl=en&u=http://www.hola.com/realeza/casa_inglesa/2010011612373/kate1/middleton/asistencia/1/&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhgk_kfpSKAfr467Vmzeo-ob4SR3Og

[Countess of Highgrove]

William is not obligated to to anything until he and Kate decide it is the right time. The press are desperate for the wedding because it means big bucks for them. They don't care about William or Kate.

What is obvious is that William and Kate's relationship is fine and continues to move forward. Those celebrating "no engagement" should probably keep the lid on the bubbly until it is sure that this is not the year. Whether they marry now or later,William is lucky to have found someone who is willing to be at his side and support him as Kate has done. It was wonderful of Charles to point that out when he praised the girlfriends of the pilots!

[MapleLeaf]

Excellent point COH.

What reality?  as usual, some of you always go over the deep end whenever  posts don't jive w/other member's comments.  William was nice and polite to her in public, what else was he suppose to do?  I like Karagiosis' posts because its the yin to ML's yang!!  If he was all that into her, by now he could or should make their relationship more "official" than keeping everyone guessing--and I don't mean the public or the media, what about his family?  Richard Kay did said in his article that there's still too much guessing where this relationship is concern and that has the couriers worry because no royal relationship has gone on this long w/o some formality to it!  And no matter what you say, ML, they're still not engaged!!  

lisalisa88, I never go off the deep end, I'm simply too logical.  I like sticking with facts and reality, I don't bother with the guessing games and the imaginary stuff, I leave that to those who like to imagine things as they might be, instead of dealing with things as they actually are.  IMO all the imaginary stuff is just too far away from real life for my taste.  And as for Wills and Kate not being engaged, what's wrong with that?  They aren't the ones claiming they have to be engaged.  The ones making the claim that Wills and Kate 'simply must' announce an engagement 'or else' are the media and those people who are hoping against hope that they can find something wrong somewhere.

Wills and Kate seem to be fine with things the way they are right now, and they're the only people who have the right to say what's too long and what isn't, with regards to their relationship.  They've been together 6 years as of December 2009.   There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.  

My focus is on pointing out that Wills and Kate are in a relationship and that they don't behave as people who are simply 'just friends'.  They behave the same as any other couple in a relationship, and I'm able to accurately prove my point with valid, factual examples.

Kate has been present at every important milestone in Wills' life since they both graduated from uni together, and at each occasion Kate was the only woman Wills chose to share those important moments with.  Wills goes on holidays/vacations with Kate every year, at least twice a year if not more often.  Wills always spends most of his time off in December with Kate and he always rings in the New Year with Kate.  Every summer Kate watches Wills play polo.  Wills spends his birthday with Kate.  Sometimes friends are present and sometimes they aren't, but Kate is always there even when no one else is.

William has been photographed seriously snogging Kate in a public car park.  William has been photographed on holiday with Kate's family.  Those are all the regular actions of a couple in a relationship, they are not the actions of two people who are simply 'just friends'.  Everyone is entitled to deny reality just as long as they choose, but facts are facts, and facts can't be denied.  Prince William is in a relationship with Kate Middleton, and that's good enough for me.  

The whole engagement/lack of engagement issue is a red herring that some people bring up because they want to deny that Wills and Kate are in a relationship, but they can't because of Wills' actions.  So they make a big deal about the lack of an engagement instead, as if it actually matters.  

Wills is in a relationship with Kate.  IMO those who have difficulty with reality should try to learn to deal with it.

[Countess of Highgrove]

ML,thanks for the compliment and for yet another,amazing post!

[lisalisa88]

Your point is what now, ML?  everything u mentioned is subject to one's pov from what is reported and seen, or not, right?  so what makes your pov more valid than anyone else?  William's lack of formalizing this relationship is more than just perplex or confusing--for all those concern, esp. WK!!  Yes, Kate is for public fodder, meaning there will be no repeat of past mistakes of royal relationships.  No one is disputing there's a relationship bet. these two but just how "deep still waters lie" with William is the question in the royal household.

What can Kate do?  Either she continue to be tagged "WK" by the media, get engage to William (or someone else!  ), or just walk away!!  Its call getting on with your life, such as William is doing.  Nothing is set in stone w/these two.  And as far logic goes, these are too many other members on this forum and and others that shared my pov as well!!   

So now, those of us can agree to disagree w/each other from time to time w/o having to go back and forth on a subject that surely will come to terms, regardless of who was right or wrong!! 

[Mimi-chan]

I think Kate is getting on with her life as is William... and her appearance at this event surely shows that William wants her to "get on with her life" alongside him. Or at least that's the message I'm getting anyhow.

I also don't believe that everyone is confused or perplexed about K&W's relationship... and least of all Kate. I'm sure that all those truly close with the pair are aware of the "depth" of their relationship. The "depth" of their relationship not being known to the "royal household" means very little considering the fact that William has been known to be very guarded and private about his personal life:

But there remains a huge amount of guesswork - even among close aides - about what goes on in William's mind because he keeps much of what he really thinks to himself.
Most people will understand why. He has been dismayed by what he sees as the 'betrayal' of his mother by people she was close to who, in his view, let her down badly after she died.
In particular, he was shocked by the intimate revelations of Diana's former butler Paul Burrell, in whom she confided so much.
So private has he become that even his closest advisers at Clarence House were taken by surprise in 2008 when, just as plans were being finalised for his role as a fully active royal the following year, he suddenly announced he was extending his stay in the RAF for another five years.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1243336/Prince-William-awarded-wings.html#ixzz0coHaVR1a

I also don't think it's any mystery why William seems to want to take his own sweet time "formalizing" his relationship with Kate. I personally think that it has little to do with his feelings for her or his commitment to her. I think this theory is probably pretty close to the truth:

One theory used to explain his continued bachelorhood was his fear that marriage would inexorably pull him into a fullscale royal life. As his wife, Kate would be expected to take on more official duties, and William would have to be seen supporting her.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1243336/Prince-William-awarded-wings.html#ixzz0coIljYNg

@ML -

[brittanylala]

Thanks for the pictures and articles everyone

Congrats to William. Find it amusing the only pictures we got of Kate were the back of her head

[easydoesit]

One theory used to explain his continued bachelorhood was his fear that marriage would inexorably pull him into a fullscale royal life. As his wife, Kate would be expected to take on more official duties, and William would have to be seen supporting her.

That's a problem? Why prolong the evitable? I'm sure there would be no problem to excuse him from full time royal duties until he completes his training and has done some work relating to his training. I think the wait is for privacy and satisfaction with the status quo. They are fine with the way things are now. Kate can keep some relative freedom and privacy as a "private citizen."  And no one has to worry about William being upstaged because the fact that she's not his wife excuses her from tagging along on his royal duties. The transition from this long-term dating life to royal married life will be interesting to watch.

I can't wait to see Harry get his wings!

[Ursula]

Mapleleaf, thank you for your posts.  Your reasoning and documentation is top notch!  None of my business, but I wouldn't be surprised if you are in the legal field.  

Lisalisa, exactly how do you KNOW all this?  

His closest aides do not know what direction this relationship is going.  The article said no one knows what William intends to do re: WK.  Not even Kate knew William was going to stay in the military for another 5 yrs. and that's saying something!  In one of William's interviews, he did say he uses his brother Harry to "test" the waters first; he was talking about entering military school, Sandhurst, so no, its not fictional!!

Have you spoken to his aides lately?  Do you believe everything you read, even if the evidence may dispute it?  Do you know Kate?  Have you spoken to her about what she "knows"?  And how far did you have to jump from a joke between brothers about testing the waters where MILITARY SCHOOLS were concerned to applying it to their relationships?  

I just find it interesting that you can dismiss comments that are supported by logical reasoning and, quite frankly, good old fashioned common sense, yet you stated the above as facts.  

[mousie_kins]

I think that the press have added girlfriends to the PC speech because on his website they are not mentioned at all. He only says family and friends and then only parents.

Unless we have video of his speech where he says girlfriends I will believe the POW site over the tabs

http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/newsandgallery/news/prince_william_graduates_from_raf_shawbury_1977204026.html

[Ella Kay]

That doesn't look like a complete text of his remarks to me, mousie_kins, just selected quotations from his remarks in a news release for the website.  In some sections, only partial quotations are excerpted, not even full sentences.  I think we'd need the full text of the speech before we can make any pronouncements about the press adding in the "girlfriends" remark as some sort of Kate conspiracy theory.

Besides, if any of the papers misquoted a royal, I'm sure they'd be swiftly corrected by the Palace.

[Ursula]

Exactly right Ella Kay. It isn't the complete speech. 


Prince of Wales pays tribute to armed forces girlfriends in front of Kate Middleton

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/theroyalfamily/6997346/Prince-of-Wales-pays-tribute-to-armed-forces-girlfriends-in-front-of-Kate-Middleton.html

"But today is a day, I think, of great pride for all of the parents, not to mention the girlfriends. We all know how hard our sons have worked in between all the other activities that we don't know about."

I also believe someone posted a video here ??   

[wannabe]

I don't care if that detail (girlfriend) is there or not (the POW probably broke protocol as seeing all the RAF with their girlfriends - apparently that is what one may see in the video) , although I agree with EK - if the press had it wrong they would be corrected, after all its a speech.  

The important thing to me is that William received his badge and beside him was the person whom He wanted there!

[Rasta Watermelon]

Your point is what now, ML?  everything u mentioned is subject to one's pov from what is reported and seen, or not, right?  so what makes your pov more valid than anyone else?  William's lack of formalizing this relationship is more than just perplex or confusing--for all those concern, esp. WK!!  Yes, Kate is for public fodder, meaning there will be no repeat of past mistakes of royal relationships.  No one is disputing there's a relationship bet. these two but just how "deep still waters lie" with William is the question in the royal household.

What can Kate do?  Either she continue to be tagged "WK" by the media, get engage to William (or someone else!  ), or just walk away!!  Its call getting on with your life, such as William is doing.  Nothing is set in stone w/these two.  And as far logic goes, these are too many other members on this forum and and others that shared my pov as well!!  

So now, those of us can agree to disagree w/each other from time to time w/o having to go back and forth on a subject that surely will come to terms, regardless of who was right or wrong!!  

I know what you are trying to say and I agree with you. I get the feeling William likes her and maybe even loves her but its not enough for him to take even bigger steps with her. There are lots of reletionships in real life that are like that, where a man and a woman date for years and are even comfortable with one another, and usually its the woman in this type of relationship who want to marry the man. Only to find that despite all the years together and his warm feeling towards her he doesnt want to commit to a marriage with her, and usually tells her he loves her but isnt so into her.

Now usually that woman in that type of situation tend to ignore it and convince themselves that the man will change his mind at some point and even continue to wait for that man to do something he clearly has no intention of doing and has told her such.

You will tend to find those relationships are usually one sided and a rather selfish one at that.

BTW congatulations to William for getting his wings.